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	<title>Comments on: upside down: abortion</title>
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	<description>turning it inside out since 1984</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is a little ironic when pro-choice folks also advocate animal rights issues. If I understand your point correctly, they are convinced that the tissue that might become a fetus has no soul while, at the same time, are convinced that animals do. 

This whole topic is amazing to me. I remember protesting abortion on the side of a busy Atlanta street when I was a freshman in high school, but now that I&#039;m much older, I&#039;m amazed that there is anything to argue about. Of course, I&#039;m a new father, so I&#039;m a bit sensitive, but really, is the pro-choice/pro-life argument really about a woman&#039;s right to choose? It seems more like a desperate attempt to maintain an illusion of freedom from responsibility. No, I think the &quot;argument&quot; lies with abortion&#039;s constitutional status: is it unconstitutional to ban abortion? This is a more interesting question to me because if it is unconstitutional, it exposes a weakness in our constitution (from a Christian standpoint). The foundation of our government which so many regard as a sort of Bible, was drafted by men and therefor is prone to weakness. I suspect, as any good American, that it is the best men could do (arguably, yes). However, I find it interesting when the Church adapts the US Constitution more than it does its own Bible. In other words, where, in our everyday life, are the boundaries between man&#039;s kingdom and God&#039;s?  The issue of abortion is one of those clear boundaries, especially if we say pro-life is unconstitutional. 

I appreciate your effort to see things from the other side. As one who tends to land on the conservative side of such issues, I certainly want to be well informed of what I oppose. That isn&#039;t always possibly, I admit, but efforts can be made. Great post, Nic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is a little ironic when pro-choice folks also advocate animal rights issues. If I understand your point correctly, they are convinced that the tissue that might become a fetus has no soul while, at the same time, are convinced that animals do. </p>
<p>This whole topic is amazing to me. I remember protesting abortion on the side of a busy Atlanta street when I was a freshman in high school, but now that I&#8217;m much older, I&#8217;m amazed that there is anything to argue about. Of course, I&#8217;m a new father, so I&#8217;m a bit sensitive, but really, is the pro-choice/pro-life argument really about a woman&#8217;s right to choose? It seems more like a desperate attempt to maintain an illusion of freedom from responsibility. No, I think the &#8220;argument&#8221; lies with abortion&#8217;s constitutional status: is it unconstitutional to ban abortion? This is a more interesting question to me because if it is unconstitutional, it exposes a weakness in our constitution (from a Christian standpoint). The foundation of our government which so many regard as a sort of Bible, was drafted by men and therefor is prone to weakness. I suspect, as any good American, that it is the best men could do (arguably, yes). However, I find it interesting when the Church adapts the US Constitution more than it does its own Bible. In other words, where, in our everyday life, are the boundaries between man&#8217;s kingdom and God&#8217;s?  The issue of abortion is one of those clear boundaries, especially if we say pro-life is unconstitutional. </p>
<p>I appreciate your effort to see things from the other side. As one who tends to land on the conservative side of such issues, I certainly want to be well informed of what I oppose. That isn&#8217;t always possibly, I admit, but efforts can be made. Great post, Nic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kony</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Kony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and who is &quot;we,&quot; exactly?
I am curious to know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and who is &#8220;we,&#8221; exactly?<br />
I am curious to know!</p>
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		<title>By: Kony</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Kony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyone who takes a human life has committed murder&quot;?
But that begs the question. 

Pro-choice would say &quot;Anyone who deprives a woman of self-determination has committed oppression.&quot;

The debate is always rigged by the person who frames the &quot;central&quot; question. Which is exactly Nic&#039;s point. :)

Nic, are you hating on feminists and environmentalists with your little scare quotes? I&#039;d better keep my Berkeley friends away from you. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyone who takes a human life has committed murder&#8221;?<br />
But that begs the question. </p>
<p>Pro-choice would say &#8220;Anyone who deprives a woman of self-determination has committed oppression.&#8221;</p>
<p>The debate is always rigged by the person who frames the &#8220;central&#8221; question. Which is exactly Nic&#8217;s point. <img src='http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nic, are you hating on feminists and environmentalists with your little scare quotes? I&#8217;d better keep my Berkeley friends away from you. <img src='http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tyson</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I mean I totally get what you&#039;re trying to say, and I think what you mean is that they aren&#039;t knowingly murderers, but technically anyone who takes a human life has committed murder.  By the way, I really like the look of your new blog.  Very web 2.0 of you, dawg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I mean I totally get what you&#8217;re trying to say, and I think what you mean is that they aren&#8217;t knowingly murderers, but technically anyone who takes a human life has committed murder.  By the way, I really like the look of your new blog.  Very web 2.0 of you, dawg.</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tyson

valid points, all. i&#039;m not trying to build a case for the acceptance of abortion; i&#039;m trying to build a case for not regarding those who do support it as out-and-out murderers or wackos or whatever.</description>
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<p>valid points, all. i&#8217;m not trying to build a case for the acceptance of abortion; i&#8217;m trying to build a case for not regarding those who do support it as out-and-out murderers or wackos or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyson</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So here&#039;s the thing, Nic.  I think it goes without saying that we as humans automatically value certain kinds of life above others.  I think most of us would be hesitant to kill a puppy or a kitty cat, but wouldn&#039;t think twice about killing a fly or a bug.  On top of that, I think that most humans value the life of humans above all other forms.  You might get in some trouble for killing a dog, but you&#039;ll get life in prison for killing a person.  All of this to say, I think that it&#039;s in the very nature of humans to value human life (in a general sense, of course... I mean there are a few exceptions of serial killers and the like), but I think there is definitely something inside people that makes us value the lives of our own kind, which I definitely think is there for a reason.  I think it&#039;s easier to justify killing someone that you can&#039;t see or communicate with, but that doesn&#039;t make the life any less valuable, it just removes us from having to deal with it as directly.  Just some thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here&#8217;s the thing, Nic.  I think it goes without saying that we as humans automatically value certain kinds of life above others.  I think most of us would be hesitant to kill a puppy or a kitty cat, but wouldn&#8217;t think twice about killing a fly or a bug.  On top of that, I think that most humans value the life of humans above all other forms.  You might get in some trouble for killing a dog, but you&#8217;ll get life in prison for killing a person.  All of this to say, I think that it&#8217;s in the very nature of humans to value human life (in a general sense, of course&#8230; I mean there are a few exceptions of serial killers and the like), but I think there is definitely something inside people that makes us value the lives of our own kind, which I definitely think is there for a reason.  I think it&#8217;s easier to justify killing someone that you can&#8217;t see or communicate with, but that doesn&#8217;t make the life any less valuable, it just removes us from having to deal with it as directly.  Just some thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
		<link>http://blog.pfostpfilms.com/2008/04/upside-down-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test. comments should be working now....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>test. comments should be working now&#8230;.</p>
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